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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.04 09:38:00 -
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Sigras wrote:this is a common misconception. Any T2 BPO is far better if you sell it than if you actually use it.
Yes it nets you a fair profit margin but it isnt as much ISK as you would think, and it locks you into one single thing ever. It also ties up a METRIC TON of ISK in one object that could/should make you much more ISK with other investments. Also getting a T2 BPO is a huge risk; what if the item in question gets nerfed? What if something gets buffed and becomes better than what you make?
Lets look at the actual numbers for a fairly popular ship: the Vagabond
The vagabond sells for around 160,000,000 in jita all day. assuming perfect manufacture (duh) and ME/PE level 20
The build cost is around 116 million ISK giving you a nice profit margin, but you can only produce a max of 1 every 28.75 hours meaning you still only make around 1 billion ISK a month.
The last vagabond BPO that came up on the market had a bid of 200 billion ISK for it. Thats 16 years worth of manufacturing the darn thing!
TL;DR
T2 BPOs are worth more sold than produced from, and anyone who is currently holding on to them is either a collector or a moron.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 09:57:00 -
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Looking at the value of the BPO is pointless in my opinion. What you should look at is the fact that every single BPO holder can undercut any invention result as much as they desire. They don't even need to dominate the market, they can just constantly put their cheap products into the market to keep invention barely profitable, while still making good money. That is the problem of the T2 BPOs, not the fact that they are expensive to acquire or that you need to make a lot of money to get the ROI. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
475
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Posted - 2014.05.04 10:46:00 -
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Master Sergeant MacRobert wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Looking at the value of the BPO is pointless in my opinion. What you should look at is the fact that every single BPO holder can undercut any invention result as much as they desire. They don't even need to dominate the market, they can just constantly put their cheap products into the market to keep invention barely profitable, while still making good money. That is the problem of the T2 BPOs, not the fact that they are expensive to acquire or that you need to make a lot of money to get the ROI. If tere is a solution that could be acceptable by all parties it will be hard to find. I think it is the quality of BPC's from invention that is the problem. If I invent a Tech 2 item then there should be a very small probability that it is a high ME /PE quality. There should be a means chance that they are as good as a researched Tech 2 BPO and there should be a chance that it is a poor quality invention with low ME/PE and, finally, even a small chance its a fail. Anyone who bought a T2 BPO in the last 2 years can have no complaints. The nerf hads been on the cards for 4 years +
Or at least some decryptors that allow you to invent into the positive ME/TE values. ME1/2 is already enough to gain massively over ME-1. Of course these decryptors would be expensive depending on how often they drop, but it would also be an easy way to give 00/Low sec a better distinction over High sec, it would increase Exploration earnings with reasonable new items and Inventors had a chance to gain more profits.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:41:00 -
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Sigras wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Looking at the value of the BPO is pointless in my opinion. What you should look at is the fact that every single BPO holder can undercut any invention result as much as they desire. They don't even need to dominate the market, they can just constantly put their cheap products into the market to keep invention barely profitable, while still making good money. That is the problem of the T2 BPOs, not the fact that they are expensive to acquire or that you need to make a lot of money to get the ROI. So you're telling me that if I gave you a choice between a vagabond BPO and 200 billion ISK right now, you'd take the vagabond BPO? because thats the choice BPO holders make every day. There are dozens of people with more money than math credits who are chomping at the bit to get a T2 BPO for ridiculous prices. Im assuming your goal is to make the most money fastest, and T2 BPOs are not the way to do that. In fact, if you have a T2 BPO the way to make the most ISK fastest is to sell it and get into trading.
I would have taken the BPO a year or two back if I had the money back then; nowadays and with all the changes and possible removal of these BPOs, I would take the money instead and ignore the sweet market domination and juicy profits. I am not after fast money at all, I am after entertainment and do whatever I have to get it for me.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
478
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:09:00 -
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Sigras wrote:
so you're telling me that you understand that selling a BPO is worth more than it will make in almost a decade...
So your real complaint isnt that T2 BPOs make a ton of ISK; you're complaining that you dont have the opportunity to play with the T2 BPOs and feel super powerful even though selling them and doing ANYTHING else is clearly the better financial decision.
This would make sense if you couldnt sell T2 BPOs but people do it all the time. Consider buying one... The math says that owning a T2 BPO is not nearly as good an idea as selling it for 9 years worth of production profit...
No, I tell you that T2 BPO are a problem for the Invention community because T2 BPO outclass Invention on every level imaginable. I've never told anything else. |
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